Mission Planner "Makeover"

Aiming to “enable to create and use trusted vehicle system”, as stated in the code of conduct, is a great goal to pursue.

Especially when considering that commercial users and companies who integrate the Ardupilot firmware/ Mission Planner into their unmanned vehicles, are making a considerable investment:

  • They need to explore and learn all the deep “ins and outs” of Ardupilot - doable, but not a trivial pursuit.

  • With the autopilot playing a pivotal role, to get a good overall outcome and a competitive product, they will develop/ construct/ adapt their unmanned system tightly around that brain.

  • With such a choice, they are also taking a pretty big risk: the system they are entrusting their vehicles to, must be around and maintained for a good while into the future. (Otherwise their efforts are greatly jeopardized - and possibly their entire product line or even business model. To quickly find, switch to, integrate, test and document another autopilot system is a drastic challenge for a SME with limited resources in a fast developing market.)

I have been prompted to consider what this “trusted” may mean - and tried to flesh out some of what this could entail, with some additional thoughts on each aspect. I think TRUST has to do with:

  • Great TRANSPARENCY and effective COMMUNICATION
    A concrete vision, a tangible road map of what to await from the ecosystem, along with project proposals, timelines and status visible in a clear way, will foster trust of current and future users; they know what’s upcoming.
    Excellent or at least sufficient documentation of processes, features, settings etc. of the system is also key. Insufficiently documented advanced features and hidden, undocumented features, can either hamper adoption, impair performance or even jeopardize a successful integration and can be counterproductive to producing trust. If things are not working as expected, but the user of a software is left in the dark as to why this is, users are less likely to enter a project/ mission with confidence.
    For somebody to commit to an advanced integration of Ardupilot into their systems currently can take a serious amount of persistent cross-research, and can amount to piecing a picture together from a variety of at times rather thin and varied sources. Making the entry barrier high has not been the hallmark of projects that have become industry standards.

  • multi-leveled RELIABILITY
    A reliable, safe, stable autopilot and repeatable, stable, and clear communication with the GCS, along with easy, task-oriented handling, aids in UAVs not falling out of the sky. In performing flawlessly when it counts. By adding safeguards against risks, loss of reputation, investments, time and revenue.
    Predictability regarding releases and proven/ documented interoperability of system components also plays a role in this aspect.
    Besides this, you are trusted more, when you have proven yourself in the field. For this, documenting and publishing case studies of successful integrations - in a variety of channels, even industry magazines - could be one vehicle to consider.
    (I understand there are naturally hesitations of companies to go public with such information, but maybe there are still some cases that can be featured - maybe research institutes are not as reserved about this issue, or featuring project sponsor could accomplish that.)

  • solid PERFORMANCE
    The system has to do what it promises to do and deliver consistent results - or you are not going to trust it.
    To cut down on the need for trial and error for professional users, improved documentation and offering a straight forward, easily accessible way for superior support to quickly gain results could help. (The link to prof. support is of course a decent start, but who to pick? Maybe there’s better/ additional way to centrally channel professional support requests?)

  • sound GROWTH
    Growing the user base is likely a natural outcome of being capable and reliable, along with flexibly listening to user requirements, addressing concerns, and implementing needed changes. It is also conducive to increased adoption (more people check and trust it), and in turn to more funding and a wider base of users, with more testing and further refining. And it also keeps the project vital and thriving.

  • consistent REDUNDANCY
    As regulatory demands ramp up (e.g. the need for risk assessments (SORA) coming up from ICAO/ EASA and the granting of exemptions from FAA), reliable redundancy of systems will certainly play an increasing role in gaining permissions to operate in more challenging environments (e.g. “Specific” category/ urban settings, BVLOS). If your Ardupilot system can demonstrably provide redundancy and be trusted, it will allow for continued operation as regulations tighten, therefore this is an important trust factor for commercial users.

  • safe SECURITY
    This is an increasingly relevant factor for integrators and clients. If this is reliably implemented, tested, handled, documented, and communicated properly, it will add trust in the autopilot’s ecosystem.

  • continued INNOVATION
    For people to put trust in a project, and invest time, money, and resources in it, the value of innovating (not simply change for the sake of change) is not to be underestimated, as it keeps a project relevant in a continuously evolving industry. If innovation is part of a project’s DNA, this must also allow to take a critical look at the status quo and a re-evaluation as things progress.

  • focused EXPERTISE
    Ardupilot/ Mission Planner unlikely can be everything to everyone. It may now make sense to consider sharpening the focus and not try to cater to every hardware and everybody’s needs. As desirable as backwards compatibility may be for some users, reasonable limits have to be drawn, and devs limited capacities instead may be better devoted to hardware that is in line with today’s performance standards, and features that are high on the list of users, trying to get stuff done in the field - with their chosen and trusted solution.

  • accompanying GUIDANCE
    When users encounter (or feel lost in) a feature new to them, usability can be greatly be improved when features are explained in a context-sensitive way. Because users are informed about the outcome of their chosen action, they can then trust that they are accomplishing the desired action. (As long as the functionality as such is ingrained and easily editable in the program, many of the tool-tips could be supplied/ filled in by more experienced users. This may at times even limit the need for more extensive documentation.)

  • embracing COLLABORATION
    Professionals are using drones/ unmanned vehicles to accomplish a task. To do this, simple data delivery often is not enough anymore, but the efficiency of the overall workflow is important. Such users increasingly are looking to develop well-tuned/ highly integrated systems, e.g. with GIS or industrial inspections. Since not everyone can/ needs to be an expert in every last aspect he has to deal with, collaboration is used to achieve increasingly complex tasks.
    Beyond having an autopilot, periphery and sensors are needed. Universal protocols and setting standards which allow for easy, repeatable, performant, reliable, and versatile integration of systems will facilitate adoption.
    If this project’s horizon is widened and forward-looking towards creating an ecosystem with payload APIs, and an active, collaborative outreach to manufacturers and service providers takes place, that will increase trust by users/ integrators, and they are more likely to fund this project (as such a commitment/ development underscores that this project unlikely will just be gone in a year’s time).
    It will also allow and foster opportunities for collaboration with sensor and periphery manufacturers, and other services, e.g. Airmap, and sooner or later remote/ eID and UTM services.

Well, there is likely more to the “trust” aspect in the stated aim and this brief first view could easily be expanded. But I hope these thoughts make a small contribution to spelling out what aiming to be a trusted autopilot could entail and provide some guidance for increased focus to become the trusted autopilot ecosystem.

In order to gain such focus, it will likely help to first knowing your users - because if you don’t know who they are, and how the project’s software are being used, and where you want to focus limited human resources on, you may be at an HDOP of 5 - which is simply not precise enough for people looking to join and invest into a performant ecosystem.

To aim for this trust - and to get to that state of being trusted - some concrete suggestions come to mind:

  • Consider leaving behind any tinkerer reputation this project apparently has (according to a post above). Make the high amount of parameters not a hindrance, but a strength!
  • Give this project a clear and concrete vision of where it is headed, lay out a roadmap of how to get there - and communicate it clearly for all to see.
  • Embrace an openness for rethinking things from fresh perspectives, maybe considering an improved structure (e.g. of parameters), or a more modular and task-oriented/ user-centric approach.
  • Open up a good electronic way for users to voice (describe, explain and vote on) suggestions for improvements and changes - beyond the forum discussions.
  • Consider allocating more funding and man power towards skilled documentation.
    (I don’t see how documentation of advanced features could come from average users in a reasonable amount of time, as that may often entail being able to understand code to grasp the implications of a parameter change and their dependencies. That will likely need to be done or at least closely supported by the ones who have conceived those relationships, or more experienced testers, who really understand how things interrelate, what effect they have. Trial and error is of limited value here and will more often than not lead to wasted time, a giving up or wrong conclusions.)
    Documentation could maybe also be improved by offering a simpler, more direct way of feedback:
    e.g. in it’s simplest form with a popup: “Is this page helpful?” Yes/No > How can we improve?
    Or (preferably) a more advanced pre-grouped feedback, such as "Some information on this page is outdated/ wrong/ incomplete/ confusing/ contradicting/ redundant, along with a mandatory field to provide specific feedback on the issue a reader found.)

As a pre-cursor to more focus - to better understand the user spectrum and their applications - could it be helpful to run an anonymous survey? To then know who are we attracting? I would have a few ideas on how to put that together.
Does anyone know if such a survey tool is already integrated with this platform/ available to it? And - if such an approach makes sense - who would be a leader in the community who could aid in “looking this over from an official side” (before publication), and post it in prominent places (to reach a good representation of users)?

While still somewhat young and possibilities for growth are ahead, nevertheless the UAV industry is seeing it’s first consolidations and there may only be a limited time window to gain a solid relevant - trusted - position.

The full-featuredness that Ardupilot and Mission Planner already offers, along with it being open source and what already has been achieved, has plenty of potential.
Maybe I am missing something, but IMHO this project could now benefit from concrete vision and channeled direction from it’s leadership.

(Edited for clarity)

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The part you are missing is that there is nobody to do what you are proposing.

The only “nobody” out there is one who says it cannot be done. @camti, your contribution to this conversation is more than welcome, and I respect the time and thought that you have put into your response. Thank you.

MP could most certainly do with a make-over. I’m increasingly using QGC for setups, but MP still has the edge in flight planning (just).
I also don’t understand why this is so contentious.

Question for Proficnc: With hiring Michael, will this prevent him working on MP?

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This is quite a thread!
@camti I like a lot of what you posted above. The insight and feedback is welcomed.
@Naterater Similarly, the suggestion for an open voting system on issues/feature requests has merit. The dev team has discussed the concept before, but it was a long time ago and in my view worth revisiting.

Regarding the general feelings expressed regarding transparency and communication: I’m really open to suggestions.
The devcall and minutes are open, the monthly Partners report is published here.
Between email, gitter, Skype, slack, Facebook and here, we try to keep engaged with as many as we can. Ways to provide better coverage more efficiently would be great.

All of that is off topic for this thread, but I wanted to let the participants know that the message has been received.

On the topic of this thread: Michael has provided what is probably the worlds most recognised gcs tool, and deals with bugs and new features incredibly quickly, until now in his spare time. I’m sure he and Hex have seen a lot of the feedback/suggestions here, in Facebook and in GitHub. I for one am looking forward to seeing where he takes Missionplanner now he’s full time.

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@james_pattison thanks for stopping by and communicating that the message is being heard and welcomed. I certainly appreciate the engagement of the team on the channels you outlined, the openness expressed, and am thankful for the work of all the devs and Michael’s huge contribution of skill and time. Add to that some communicated focus, and the HDOP will allow for arming and take off in no time…

I have found the minutes, and this is not only helpful but also quite promising. It’s probably worth stopping by there more frequently.

I have also now found a roadmap (in devs > How the team works).
Yet in order for new/ potential adopters and “general users” to grasp where things are headed, maybe these items would deserve a more prominent place on the website, even the home page (in addition to latest posts)?
Please point me to the partners reports you refer to - I could not find them. If partners could be granted a more visible place where they can feature their integrations and share their successes by using Ardupilot, maybe this encourages more partners to join.

Should the team find that running a survey to get a better picture of the AP/ MP users helpful, and would like assistance in creating one, feel free to PM me.

G’day @camti, the Partner’s reports are usually linked into blog posts, and can be found here: https://discuss.ardupilot.org/tags/monthly-update. Sorry that they are hard to find - I think you’re right that these should be more visible.

I ran a short survey last year, leading up to the Developers Conference, to help inform the Roadmap. I intend to do the same for 2019, and will put it out over the next month or so (Developers Conference is mid March).

Re marketing/media for Partners: I completely agree! We encourage Partners to make blog posts for product releases (and help with that quite often), and coordinate shared presence at some trade shows, but are really reliant on the Partners to drive their own marketing efforts.

@james_pattison Thanks for pointing these out - and for working with the partners. I hope they will see the value of being more active in this manner.
The survey you referred to (and intend to do again) - was that geared to devs primarily or to Ardupilot users at large?

The only direct request for public feedback that I have seen recently was in a google docs survey last year prior to the developer meetup. @james_pattison posted it here: Have Your Say: a short questionnaire to help the Unconference shape ArduPilot. There were quite a few comments about mission planner from users, and that was part of the reason I haven’t dropped the conversation. It’s interesting that about 50% of the users who responded are hobby users.

I shared the link to a few groups on facebook to get more appeal. The posts looked like this:

@Implicit, I also don’t understand why it’s so contentious… but I’m following this thread to understand why we all have differing opinions. Like @camti said, it’s a concrete vision that should unite us, and right now we each have a different one.

It is contentious because the different users all have different needs. But the biggest point is that there is no they out there to do this type of work. You just don’t seem to get that volunteers are what drive this type of organization beyond the core developers and it is not appropriate for the people with highly technical skill set to be managing user advisory committees etc.

So if you want it done you have to do it.

I think what I quoted before remains worth noting:

For this project to be sustainable, be trusted and relevant, I believe it has to grow and look towards new horizons. This is unlikely to work without a sharpened focus.

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Thank you for the clarification. I also hope that my stance can be clarified a little. It’s no doubt my stance on how MP should be improved, however I do not blame anyone or hold anyone here accountable. I’m not demanding that anything be dropped or re-prioritized, I can only suggest. I do, however, expect some communication to know what’s going on and what’s being planned. That helps me and everyone expand and focus their efforts without waste. If I go fully document MP right now, and then in a month it goes through this awesome change, you might see that everything must be re-done.

I think it would be great if there was more focus on finding more resources or personnel to support MP. I hope that @proficnc follows through and MP is actually focused on, but I still don’t know. Just like an unstable market, there’s little certainty without communication, and the volatility doesn’t make it attractive to invest (contribute). I don’t know if there is/was a search to have more people help on MP, and it didn’t really appear on the roadmap.

I think that we already discuss the MP makeover many times and each time we don’t manage to agree on something.

To be honest, I don’t like it for 3 reasons : C#, not really cross platform, and a big mess inside its codebase…
Instead of a makeover, I would really love a clean new GCS that people can easily contribute too… But as always, that is not the same amount of works and knowledge (without speaking about the transition for user and branding or commercial mess)

Sorry, @khancyr I splitted the thread upon request of the original poster. Perhaps, if you feel appropriate, could you repost this message to the MP thread?

edit:
I splitted again here, per request of the requester :slight_smile:

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@khancyr that is invaluable information related to this thread. You appear to know what’s going on a lot better than most of us. Said another way, I’m hearing that it’s more worthwhile to start new than improve MP. Is that correct?

Is it really that much effort to change GUI’s?

Yep, that is my opinion. But as always, not everybody share the same point of view.
Moreover, the task to make people accept a lot of change at once is a real challenge… You can see that with chibios for example! People complain that it is a waste of effort, suddently find issue due to chibios(without reason), etc. Or you can still see people using old apm2.5 board…
Creating a new gui will be costly and need some guys that know gui development but should be a huge gain in future.

Agreed, I think it was a strategic mistake a long time ago not to support qgc but continue with a windows software.

100% agree with you

Corrado