LittleBee Pro ESC Pixhawk

Hi everyone,

Sorry to revive this topic, but I did some tests on my S550 before go to fly again (last fly was last summer…) and I think that something is wrong with motors sync…

I tested all motors in sequence, and they clearly don’t run at the same speed at 1% throttle : https://youtu.be/1HYUdYhEpUE

The difference seems to be less important at 5% (but I think that I hear a different song…) : https://youtu.be/4i4KCUjBjfY

Blheli throttle calibration problem ? Arducopter minThrottle problem ?

I don’t think that blheli or arducopter parameters have change since last summer (last succesful flight).

I will try to do autotune for the first time on this hexacopter, and I’m trying to avoid a desync crash…

Pixhawk params attachedpixhawkparamsBefore09082019.param (13.9 KB)

I think that only motor D seems to have desync problem, but blheli params are the sames like the others motors last time I checked…

Thanks for your advises

First those motors are a very poor choice for a multirotor. You must have bought the cheapest you could find. Motors that use collet prop adapter are not well suited for multirotor use.

How they run at 1% or 5% throttle has little meaning. As was said multiple times in this thread just fly it.

I flown it, but I have to do autotune, I would like to avoid desync as much as possible

What you show in that video is not desync. As was stated before the default values for those ESC should work fine.

But don’t fly it then, hang it on the wall for decoration.

I flew it today.

Everything seems to be ok (I think that I will do autotune during next flight).

But I thank that there are 2 problems :

  • Only 10 minutes flight time with 3S lipo 8000 mAh 2.115 Kg gimbal + camera + battery (10,5V in flight, 11,4 cold state)
  • Video Vibration with camera on gimbal (video link attached) : https://youtu.be/KteQaLBnNHM

Could you help me to improve my copter please ?

2nd flight, I solve gimbal vibration problem by improving gimbal mounting on frame and optimizing gimbal PID…

But the copter seems to rapidely go down at the end of the test, until ground touch…
When the copter gone down I was increasing throttle, at the end I decreasing throttle because the copter was not responding to RC…

I don’t think that it was auto land or RTL (10,6V pixhawk, 11,6 real cold state, failsafe set to 10,3V) and too fast alt failing.

Excepted ESC cut off voltage (may be to high) I have no idea…

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You should NOT have any form of voltage cut off active on your esc’s.

They seems to have no cut off limit parameter

Link to arducopter log file : https://framadrop.org/r/kaKpf5YXK_#H45b5wFVEsr8Wu/Rk5oqQWUO1WUjpNoGvnfM4HVgUp4=

Two new flights : same problem at 10,5V for one battery and 10,6V for the other.
If I try to takeoff immediately after “emergency landing”, the copter take off normally and then lose altitude after few seconds…
Battery hasn’t enough amps at 10,6V in load ?
3S 8aH 60C, lipo voltage drop seems to be linear during flight (without high failing voltage rate excepted at takeoff)

Logs : https://framadrop.org/r/l7mFTY45E9#MLZVLJs2tX5EC84OKRyUtU+eElsvOYekv/Z4/ZINbZ4=

I see on multiple topics thar ACCEL_Z_P rate can be the problem, should I try autotune to calibrate PIDs… (I known’t if autotune set ACCEL_Z_P but may be than others parameters tuned by autotune can solve the problem…)

7 minutes flight time is enough for autotune ?

I can unmount the gimbal to reduce weight and remove gimbal motors power consumption but it may be not enough…

Yes do auto tune with no weight is best. You may need over 15 minutes of flight time. Mine took 18 minutes but it’s always windy here so that made it take longer.

Its not possible to do autotune in multiple parts… ?

I think you can. Just make sure you land and disarm in auto tune.

How to say to arducopter to don’t touch to already tuned params… ?

There seems to have a parameter to select axis to tune : http://ardupilot.org/copter/docs/parameters.html#autotune-axes

Should I try voltage scaling (before autotune) ? : http://ardupilot.org/copter/docs/current-limiting-and-voltage-scaling.html#current-limiting-and-voltage-scaling

“Gains will be scaled to attempt to maintain the attitude control response seen at full charge”

Set maxV to full charge bat with or without “power on load” : board consumption, gimbal motors, fpv transmitter…?
Or voltage after takeoff… ?

new flight with MOT_BAT_VOLT_MIN 10,2V and MOT_BAT_VOLT_MAX 12,6V

Alt hold and RC response seems to be better, flight time increased from 7 minutes to 10 minutes with same bat voltage at the end.

But same problem at 10,6V in flight, its was like an emergency landing, full throttle but dropping.

Log : https://framadrop.org/r/5gmk_jaF3W#RTQVF7l/YaMPjI4K9FnQFKI1UxaoFWlQvlvY2TMA0BA=

Problem still here, 10,6V not enough to provide power to ESCs ? (3S is max for the motors that I use)

May be decrease esc timing and/or upgrade firmware ?