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Bicopter - The journey so far

A little while ago I posted a blog about a coaxial copter design and build ( that turned out to be quite the handful when it came to tuning. The main reason for the difficulties I was facing was the gyroscopic forces involved in tilting a motor/prop combination to do thrust vectoring. The next logical step was to move to a design in which these gyroscopic forces from one motor/prop are (mostly) cancelled out by equal and opposite gyroscopic forces of the other motor/prop.

The design I settled on was this bicopter, similar to a V22 Osprey, the layout of which is supported in Arducopter. The control system is pretty self-explanatory; to pitch forward, the servos tilt both motors forward; to roll left, the right motor increases in rpm and the left motor decreases; to yaw left, the right motor tilts forward and the left motor tilts rearward. There are some control characteristics which make tuning such a layout a little tricky though:

  • Rolling the drone causes unequal thrust and therefore unequal torque of the motors, resulting in a slight yaw.
  • Pitching the drone forward doesn’t invoke any gyroscopic forces on the airframe because the gyroscopic forces from the right hand motor are cancelled out by the gyroscopic forces of the left hand motor. However, when yawing, the gyroscopic forces combine instead of cancel, resulting in a slight roll of the aircraft. I have found this effect to be negligible though.
  • There is some other cross-coupling of pitch/roll/yaw if the drone isn’t balanced correctly but I won’t go into details.


The design of this drone isn’t quite as polished as my previous efforts as I wanted to prove the concept out a little more first. However, I will still post all the files including 3d printable files, parameters and parts lists up to now here:

So far I’ve put about 6 packs through it and this is the performance I’m seeing:

Next steps will be:

  • More tuning
  • Reduce vibrations
  • Move to Chinook configuration from current Osprey configuration
  • Install GPS + compass and start using more autonomous flight modes
  • Install FPV camera and transmitter

That seems to be flying really well! nicely done!

Thanks Randy! This is an outdoor flight from today:

Understandably the pitch is proving by far the most difficult axis to tune - even with notch filtering on the system instability (25Hz) I’m not able to raise kP or kD high enough to get the tune very crisp. What I’m finding is that I’m having to run quite high kI values to compensate which is causing some unwanted behaviour, especially in dynamic or windy flight.

So next steps are:

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Great to see bicopters getting some love!

I found lowering the GC as much as possible helps, this has the effect of ‘speeding up’ the servos. A smaller movement gives same amount of thrust vectoring moment.

Front and back ‘chinook’ bicoipter layout is not currently sported.

I looked into OAT a little, I suspect it wont work that well on a smaller scale due to size/weight of the props. If I recall correctly they can also the saturate gyroscopic effects and suddenly become a normal bi-copter.

Hi Peter, thanks for the feedback.

I’m still tossing up whether to go the OAT route, on the one hand as you’ve correctly said the inertia of the motor bell and prop is reduced at this scale, but the total aircraft inertia also scales down by a similar proportion.

Interesting point on gyro saturation; you’re right that no movement of the props = no gyroscopic force. I don’t expect that to be a problem though because the gyroscopic torque will just be in addition to the tilt-rotor torque and not a replacement of that torque.

All speculation of course and I could always do some calculations and modelling but building one to test would be more fun :slight_smile:

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Hi Jason.
Wow I found something that flies like a Chinook.
I cannot access the files and would like to build something very similar to your design.
Its the parameters and parts lists that I am most interested in.
I have seen Tom Stanton videos .
It looks like you are using a Matek board.

All the best. Regards Antony.

I finally got around to swapping out the fuselage to a OAT design with 30° inward angle of the rotors.

Initial impressions are good- I haven’t quantified the improvement yet but it is noticeable. In fact in my haste to get it into the air I had the props spinning reversed (left prop CCW, right prop CW) such that the gyroscopic forces were hindering instead of assisting the pitching moment. This produced very poor handling characteristics so the effect of the inward tilt is not negligible at all.

This is a short flight this afternoon. It’s a lot of fun to fly.

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