Strong pitch forward on takeoff

I’m quite new at this still so I hope a log analysis is the best place to start tracking this problem down. I’m flying an Ardupilot 2.6 on a X configuration quad. The last time I flew about a week ago, things were just fine. Yesterday I added my new 3DR data radio and I upgraded to ArduCopter 3.1.1 from 3.1. Today when I tried to fly, the quad tilts forward to the point that the front blades touch the ground. Even if I try to pull the pitch back, I can’t lift off. I tried to get back to the last known functioning state by removing the 3D radio but that had no effect. On my last attempt, I set logging to “nearly all”. From what I can see, the logs reflect everything I’m seeing but I can’t tell WHY the quad is tilting forward. I’ve tried recalibrating a number of times with no change in behavior. I haven’t logged the motors before so I don’t know what is normal, but it seems strange to me that Mot1 and Mot2 are almost exactly the same values and Mot3 and Mot4 are the same but Mot1 & 2 always start to go higher around 1450(units?). If 1 and 2 were on the back, that would make sense but that numbering doesn’t coincide with the motor layout as seen in copter.ardupilot.com/wp-content/ … AD_enc.jpg

I don’t know what else to try at this point so I appreciate any help for a noob.

Thanks,
Jason

Your RATE gains are all set to zero. Please set them back to what they were or to the default gains.

name                   yours        default
RATE_PIT_I             0.0000       0.1000
RATE_PIT_P             0.0000       0.1500
RATE_RLL_I             0.0000       0.1000
RATE_RLL_P             0.0000       0.1500

and here’s your complete parameter list:

name                   yours        default
AHRS_TRIM_X            0.0092       0.0000
AHRS_TRIM_Y           -0.0088       0.0000
BATT_AMP_PERVOLT      18.0018      17.0000
BATT_CAPACITY       2200.0000    3300.0000
BATT_MONITOR           4.0000       0.0000
CH7_OPT                4.0000       0.0000
CH8_OPT               17.0000       0.0000
COMPASS_DEC            0.0598       0.0000
COMPASS_OFS_X        -46.3132       0.0000
COMPASS_OFS_Y         25.4187       0.0000
COMPASS_OFS_Z         81.2322       0.0000
COMPASS_ORIENT         8.0000       0.0000
FENCE_ALT_MAX        300.0000     100.0000
FENCE_ENABLE           1.0000       0.0000
FENCE_RADIUS         100.0000     150.0000
FLTMODE3               5.0000       0.0000
FLTMODE4               2.0000       0.0000
FLTMODE5               2.0000       0.0000
FLTMODE6               2.0000       0.0000
FS_BATT_ENABLE         1.0000       0.0000
FS_THR_ENABLE          1.0000       0.0000
FS_THR_VALUE         950.0000     975.0000
INS_ACCOFFS_X         -0.1385       0.0000
INS_ACCOFFS_Y          0.3799       0.0000
INS_ACCOFFS_Z         -0.3275       0.0000
INS_ACCSCAL_X          0.9951       1.0000
INS_ACCSCAL_Y          0.9956       1.0000
INS_ACCSCAL_Z          0.9877       1.0000
INS_GYROFFS_X          0.0389       0.0006
INS_GYROFFS_Y         -0.0415       0.0006
INS_GYROFFS_Z         -0.0308       0.0006
INS_PRODUCT_ID        88.0000       0.0000
LOG_BITMASK        -6146.0000     830.0000
RATE_PIT_I             0.0000       0.1000
RATE_PIT_P             0.0000       0.1500
RATE_RLL_I             0.0000       0.1000
RATE_RLL_P             0.0000       0.1500
RC1_MAX             2011.0000    1900.0000
RC1_MIN              987.0000    1100.0000
RC1_TRIM            1496.0000    1500.0000
RC2_MAX             2011.0000    1900.0000
RC2_MIN              987.0000    1100.0000
RC2_TRIM            1498.0000    1500.0000
RC3_MAX             2012.0000    1900.0000
RC3_MIN              982.0000    1100.0000
RC3_TRIM             987.0000    1500.0000
RC4_MAX             2011.0000    1900.0000
RC4_MIN              987.0000    1100.0000
RC4_TRIM            1497.0000    1500.0000
RC5_MAX             2011.0000    1900.0000
RC5_MIN              982.0000    1100.0000
RC5_TRIM             988.0000    1500.0000
RC6_MAX             1500.0000    1900.0000
RC6_MIN             1496.0000    1100.0000
RC6_TRIM            1499.0000    1500.0000
RC7_MAX             2012.0000    1900.0000
RC7_MIN              984.0000    1100.0000
RC7_TRIM             987.0000    1500.0000
RC8_MAX             2016.0000    1900.0000
RC8_MIN              987.0000    1100.0000
RC8_TRIM             987.0000    1500.0000
RTL_ALT             2000.0000    1500.0000
SERIAL2_BAUD                       57.0000
SIMPLE                62.0000       0.0000
SR0_EXTRA1             2.0000       4.0000
SR0_EXTRA2             2.0000       4.0000
SR0_EXTRA3             2.0000       4.0000
SR0_EXT_STAT           2.0000       4.0000
SR0_PARAMS             0.0000      10.0000
SR0_POSITION           2.0000       4.0000
SR0_RAW_CTRL           2.0000       4.0000
SR0_RAW_SENS           2.0000       4.0000
SR0_RC_CHAN            2.0000       4.0000
SR1_EXTRA1             2.0000       0.0000
SR1_EXTRA2             2.0000       0.0000
SR1_EXTRA3             2.0000       0.0000
SR1_EXT_STAT           2.0000       0.0000
SR1_POSITION           2.0000       0.0000
SR1_RAW_CTRL           2.0000       0.0000
SR1_RAW_SENS           2.0000       0.0000
SR1_RC_CHAN            2.0000       0.0000
SR2_EXTRA1                          0.0000
SR2_EXTRA2                          0.0000
SR2_EXTRA3                          0.0000
SR2_EXT_STAT                        0.0000
SR2_PARAMS                          0.0000
SR2_POSITION                        0.0000
SR2_RAW_CTRL                        0.0000
SR2_RAW_SENS                        0.0000
SR2_RC_CHAN                         0.0000
SUPER_SIMPLE           1.0000       0.0000
TRIM_THROTTLE        431.0000     450.0000
TUNE_HIGH            200.0000    1000.0000
TUNE_LOW              80.0000       0.0000
WPNAV_RADIUS         600.0000     200.0000
WP_TOTAL               5.0000       0.0000

jschall, thanks for the quick response. I’m not sure how those might have changed because I haven’t done any PID tuning, at least not lately. On my last flight I did try Autotune but didn’t complete the process. Hopefully partial settings weren’t saved. In any case, I’ll make and test these changes tomorrow since it’s dark out now. Thanks!

This solved my problem. Thanks! I’m not sure how my quad was flying before because I know I made successful flights with these settings. I accidentally marked my response as the solution, but of course your reply about the rate gains was the actual solution.