@twemlow Thanks for the support.
I would ask you is Philip asked you for any of this āadvocacyā, but I will not. Because Iām helping not to Philip but to community. I believe that community should have available tools to see and edit OSH artefacts. I thankful to Philip really much and have no intention to help some cloners to steal his design. And I definitely sure he is completely free to use tool of his choice. The same is for us - we can use the tool of our choice to see and edit his project so far as it still open source.
Any reasonable objections?
With most kind regards and respect to all,
Dmitry
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Hi Skyscraperā¦ the only thing I donāt like about the license, is people complaining after I have published all my work.
I welcome pull requests for changes, I welcome schematic reviewsā¦
Neither of which have ever come from the wider community.
The biggest point you just highlightedā¦ is the content of the licenseā¦
"(but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work.)"
so when people make comments about no clone in openā¦ they need to read that part of the licenseā¦
I have no issue with people who make creative thingsā¦ but those that copy and pass it off as the real thing are NOT complying with the license.
THE ONLY Pixhawk 1 boards that are legitimate at the moment are the PH1ās from 3DR.
The ONLY APM 2.x series are the ones from jDrones and 3DRā¦
The ONLY legitimate PH2.0ās are from 3DR
The only legitimate PH2.1ās are from ProfiCNC/Hex
the license is two wayā¦ you give what you take, you contribute back.
PH2.1 will stay CC-BY-SA3.0 I donāt regret thatā¦ but I do not understand why people like yourself cannot be polite about it, be grateful for the work of others, and be supportive of their work.
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@dipspb
If either some pdfs are available or some basic KiCad files are available, I will be happy to help if I can.
Hi @proficnc,
I guess the problem or misunderstanding is the following:
There is a difference between a ācommunityā of OS devs doing something together for fun and the development of a professional and very complex product like the PH2.1.
I am pretty sure that of the 81000 members of DIYDrones (as a community) less than 10 are realy interested in the hardware design details.
So my vote is for closed source HW. It would help all Ardupilot devs in one way ot the other.
Just my 2 cents,
Cheers,
Thorsten
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Hello @proficnc.
Iām waiting eager the arrival of the pixhawk 2.1, and Iām pretty sad reading this topic (and the previous one announcing the arrival of the cube).
I can understand your frustration when seeing how others takes your work (without any credit) and make business with it.
I can understand the open source software, but I do not see clear what is behind the open source hardware. With open source software companies can offer services around that software, and as they have to know deeply the software and they are interested in quick developing times with a lot of beta testers everyone have benefits from this arrangement.
In the case of open source hardware I do not see the mutual benefits. I can see a collaborative project between not many people, so they can quickly develop the project. But, why to publish the final design files regarding a 6 layer PCB with small surface mounted components, so only a big company with very specialized manufacturing facilities can make and assemble?
In this case only few ones will benefit, and probably they are not who made the design.
I want to buy a very good product at good price, so probably I prefer self-interested that all this work belongs to who made it, and then they invest part of the profits in making it better and better.
Thanks Phil, please continue with your work !! (And get the manufacturers have ready the pixhawk 2.1 as soon as possible)
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Shipping starts today :).
So there is some good news!
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People, let me assure you, cloners do not use free pcb development tools simply because tools like altium and allegro are their daytime job (as yours) and most cloners are venturing into this as a second/third project.
If you are worried about cloners, donāt go osh, converting source files (of the comparable complexity) is almost trivial between the few most popular pcb cad programs and large license holders (to which cloners usually belong) receive direct assistance from the above mentioned software developers in this.
Imho, osh ecosystem is the biggest selling point of the hardware of this rating (non-automotive/non-aerospace), besides there is nothing that canāt be reversely engineered within a few hours -off the shelf components are used. The only way to succeed, as always, is to keep developing/innovating ahead of competition (cloners) and providing added value services. This can be (shoul be/must be) tied to software development.
A great example will be cell phone market- every year there is something new, why? because of competition which uses almost exactly the same components- companies are forced to compete not on schematic design, but on manufacturing know-how, component sourcing, marketing, products designed for specifc market slots, etc.
If this project will continue it needs to look at what mass market wants- cheap alternative for your lexus (there are about 100 times more corollas that lexuses), make a cheap corolla, sell it, build ecosystem around it, start adding value services. If you wonāt make that corolla someone else willā¦ if you do not wish to make cheap FCs its your choice, but there is a reason why the same company makes both Lexuses and Corollasā¦ huge% of components are the same.
time to move onā¦ there are plenty of schematics etc to help people on their way.
The reason I use Altium is because it is the best, the schematics are available to anyone else.
If people want cheap, there are plenty on Banggood that will crash your equipment just as well as any of them.
however, if you would like me to keep developing hardware that is cheap, then purchase from hardware vendors that support my work.
Time to move on
I think you didnāt get my point. You need to come up with limited edition of your hardwareā¦ Make it max4 outputs, no can, two telemetry ports, one gps. Try to grasp the ideaā¦
Who are the people buying $60 pixracer clones? Do you think they will fly anything expensive enoght to justify paying $99+ shipping+case price for the original? No, why not sustify their need and sell a limited version?