MOT_THST_EXPO setting from spreadsheet Ardupilot

Hello Friends
I am trying to adjust the MOT_THST_EXPO parameter for the h11 hobbywing motor using the motor thrust fit.excel found on this page.
I got the table information from Hobbywing website.
In the graph I calculated, Corrected thrust has the least difference with normalized thrust when MOT_THST_EXPO is 0.96 while the site explains that it should not be set higher than 0.8.
This graph corresponds to the value of 0.96:


This graph corresponds to the value of 0.8 :

This is my calculation file => Copy of ArduPilot Motor Thrust Fit - Google Sheets
Please check that my calculations are correct. @Leonardthall

I would not go over MOT_THST_EXPO,0.8
Make sure you also have:

MOT_PWM_MIN,1050
MOT_PWM_MAX,1950

The Hobbywing website has explained that MOT_PWM_MIN is 1100 and MOT_PWM_MAX is 1940 for H11 engine.
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Yes use that.
Some of the different models have the other range I gave.

Use the CAN connection if you are able to, instead of the old PWM/servo connections.

Can You explain Why we shouldn’t go beyond 0.8 even on such heavy Motors Like H11 ?!
I Read about it before from @Leonardthall but I Cant Find Why ?!

Hi @nrgs_barani,

Every time I use manufacture curves I get data I don’t believe. I have also never been able to get the same results myself. For example, the hobbywing data is below:
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hobbywing H11M 54V (14S LiPo) 48*17.5"
Test Data : Expo : 1.1196 , Zero Thrust : 3460.8541 , Max_Thrust : 86283.8176
MOT_THST_EXPO : 1.1196
MOT_PWM_MIN : 1100
MOT_PWM_MAX : 1940
MOT_SPIN_MIN : 0.1
MOT_SPIN_MAX : 0.95

This matches an expo of over 1. That means the system is better than perfect as thrust increases.

My suspicion is that the Throttle(%) is not a ratio of PWM command but instead some non-linear relationship to PWM.

As to why I give the advice to not increase the expo over 0.8.

A perfect theoretical propeller provides thrust that is proportional to rpm. RPM is proportional to PWM with a relationship of kv * (pwm - MOT_PWM_MIN) / (MOT_PWM_MAX-MOT_PWM_MIN). This gives the perfect expo of 1.0.

A real system gets increasingly inefficient as the PWM increases. This reduces the expo below 1.0 because the slope of the upper end of the curve is reducing. Further we don’t start the range at zero thrust and again this reduces the expo. The end result is I have not seen measured data with an expo over about 0.8.

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@Leonardthall Thank you very much for your reply :pray:

@Leonardthall,

Thanks very much for this. I also independently (and coincidentally) received thrust data from HobbyWing (in Japanese) and came to the same result of 1.1 which I knew could not be correct. Garbage in, garbage out I guess. Thanks for confirming this!

oh dear.

I have to use 0.99 for this drone using T-Motor MN2806 KV650 Hobbywing digital ESC (turned off Low RPM Power Protect) with Arducopter 4.2.x & 4.3.x.