Thank you for the kind reply. Can I assume then that I can start playing with the optical flow features in the new Copter v3.4 release? Also, is there a preferred sensor to purchase?
Yes, Copter 3.4 has everything needed to use optical flow. I would recommend a PX4Flow because it is supported in all platforms. Be aware that the sonar in it isn’t supported in ArduPilot so you need to have a separate supported rangefinder.
My next question would be on integration. I see that it replaces the use of GPS using parameter settings. What are the plans for automatic switch-over from GPS to Optical Flow and back? Is this something I can do using Copter v3.4 with a flight mode change or transmitter switch change?
It also looks like you need to purchase a $400 Lightware SF10/B laser rangefinder. So this now makes the optical flow feature an additional $500 hardware setup. Does this sound accurate?
I’m looking for future capabilities where GPS is used for normal outdoor flight but optical flow is then used for near ground flight or can be invoked on take-off in close quarters. After the 3-15 meter height limit, it then switches to GPS. I am curious about the planned path forward.
The documentation might be a little outdated: a short time before the release of 3.4 the optical flow support had an important change, it can now be used together with GPS. So when you have both available it will integrate information from both to get the best estimates and if you lose GPS it will switch to using optical flow only, if available.
Regarding rangefinder, we support multiple brands and models, including several from LightWare (I’m not sure, but I think the most used is the SF11/C). Have you checked the wiki pages?
Your information here is very much appreciated as it does seem the documentation is a bit dated…hence my need for this thread. The current integration looks to be what I wanted.
On the plus side, the Lightware SF11/C 120m unit is only $249 which makes the new higher-end entry cost for testing optical flow around $349 instead of $500. Further, using a lower cost unit like the Maxbotic I2C EZ4, the rangefinder portion drops greatly to only $40 making a lower end entry cost around $145. This is a very reasonable range.
My assumption here is that the PX4FLOW Kit v1.31 comes with the sonar (MB1043) already mounted and installed but it is unusable for some reason so the Lightware SF11/C unit is required.
A rangefinder is needed to use optical flow. Sonars are usually not very accurate and I guess that is the reason a driver for the one present in PX4Flow was never added to ArduPilot. If you just want to use the rangefinder for experimenting with optical flow I guess the Maxbotic one is probably enough - you can always change rangefinder later.
The Pixart one I talked about is supposedly a cheap optical flow sensor that is expected to lower prices in this market (we basically only have the “expensive” PX4Flow). If you want to wait maybe there will be cheaper solutions available, but I have no idea of timelines.
Ok, it sounds good. I have selected my initial hardware for testing and already ordered it. I am looking forward to having some fun and testing this interesting new feature.
Upgrading the PX4Flow sensor’s firmware had issues:
Used this article here on disabling driver signature in Win10 but it still failed. Win7 worked fine the first time.
Mission Planner v1.3.43 failed to show the “Load Custom Firmware” option when the PX4 Flow device was connected.
Used QGroundControl v3.0.2 and it worked first time without issue.
Focusing the lens worked fine in Mission Planner v1.3.43
Tarot 650 Sport upgraded to Copter v3.4.3 - No issues
I started some Install Notes in my project above. Once the PX4Flow sensor’s firmware was upgraded, I installed the unit along with my Maxbotix Range Finder on and old GoPro Hero2 gimbal top plate that mates with either of my Tarot MRCs. An I2C expansion card is needed as my Pixhawk I2C slot was already filled with the external M8N compass.
The Optical Flow assembly mounted easily on my Tarot 650 Sport rails. Both the PX4FLOW unit and Maxbotix Rangefinder simply plugged into the I2C Distribution Board along with my compass from the M8N module. The I2C Distribution Board then plugged into the Pixhawk I2C port. The board was placed about midway between the two areas so that the 4-pin cables would reach without modification.
I’m ready to test fly as soon as our 1-2" of snow melts, which should be in a day or two. I didn’t want to initially test the Optical Flow unit with a cover of snow.
So much for waiting for better weather. It was cold, windy, and I had an inch or two of snow in my backyard. Further, it is a smallish area surrounded by tree limb hazards on three sides and above. In other words, risky business!
I decided to test Alt. Hold and GPS-only Loiter modes first since it was my initial flight with Copter v3.4.3. My Alt. Hold was not solid so I discovered that the replacement for THE_MID, MOT_THST_HOVER was initially around 0.4 and slowly learning that it needed to be 0.3. Once I set it to 0.3, based upon my THR_OUT readings, the Alt Hold was rock solid and the GPS Loiter mode was very nice!
Next up, I changed EK2_GPS_TYPE (wrongly called EKF_GPS_TYPE on the Wiki) from 0 (use GPS) to 3 (ignore GPS and use the flow sensor). It was time for the nervous litmus test in a confined area. I got the Tarot 650 in position in Alt. Hold mode at around 4’ and switched to Loiter. I almost couldn’t believe it as it sat there perfectly still in the wind better then when using GPS. I was thrilled and will make a video soon when possible.
What should EK2_GPS_TYPE be set to for normal GPS/Optical Flow switch-over operation? 0?
We lost our snow today as the temperature rose to 37 degrees and the wind was down to around 10mph so it made for a fun initial test of the APM PX4 Optical Flow feature in my backyard. The EK2_GPS_TYPE parameter was set to 3 to ignore GPS and use the flow sensor.
Hello Greg,
Really like your logbook, funny we work on the same projects theses days : Volantex & OpticalFlow.
I am using the new Garmin Lidar Lite 3 and so far, its working fine.
Here in Quebec, it is snowing non stop and it is quite cold, so I am flying optical flow in the garage:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgg3FVu0v68
As you can see it is flying its own wind , quite a lot of air bouncing on the walls
Yeah, it is plywood… I am old school… and this rig is ready for precision landing as well, let me kow if you are interested, that is quite a fascinating project .
Thanks for posting your setup and garage video. Your Garmin Lidar Lite V3 range finder looks like a nice upgrade from my Maxbotix MB1242 yet is still much less cost than a Lightware device. For $150, the Garmin Lidar Lite V3 unit is a Laser Rangefinder with a 40 meter range compared to my $40 Maxbotix ultrasonic 7 meter range.
I am not familiar with the Precision Landing option that you have mounted. Is this supported in Copter v3.4.3?
